Sugata Bose It is double standard, wholesale hypocrisy to preach non-violence as the core doctrine of the Bhagavad Geeta. And who did it?Fraeortis Satarawalla Ahimsa, Dayā, Kshamā is a great concept. But we should not become meek. Meekness will make our sense of duty and energy moribund and may result in undue looses. For eg a man must practice goodnees of ahimsa, Karuna or daya with his people when in peace times. But when it comes to karmyoga meekness should not be allowed. If country , family or friends falls in trouble it is our duty to struggle. For that person needs Viveka or discriminative thought to identify those things required by that time only.Hironmoy Chatterjee Who says so? Your Gandhi ? Ate we morons? We can't read Sanskrit The very essence of Sri Bhagabat Geeta is to fight for 'to fight a for a righteous battle never think of the consequences. Sri KRISHNA never said run away from a righteous cause. He d said its cowardice if you doNarayanan Gandhi Nothing wrong in saying that Ahimsa is the core doctrine of Gita or of Hinduism. Non-violence is a poor translation for Ahimsa. Btw, can any sane person support any violence? Taking up arms is one thing and violence is another thing.Sugata Bose Yes, a sane person like Swami Vivekananda does support it. He had told Tilak in 1901 when the latter had gone to meet him in Belur Math, ''What India now needs is a bomb.'' Sanity deserves for itself a wider connotation than is being given here by narrowing its meaning. Armed resistance is an absolute in situations of armed aggression against a nation or a people.Narayanan Gandhi I was told that Vivekananda had also told that he had thrown 'bombs' in America. Obviously he was refering to the powerful ideas that he had broadcast there.Sugata Bose You seem to be innocent of pertinent facts of Vivekananda's life or are purposefully pretending not to understand what the seminal Swami had said in Belur Math to the redoubtable leader about what the future course of revolutionary action ought to be for the securing of India's freedom. Incidentally, Vivekananda had during his wanderjahre through India tried to exhort the Princes of the Princely States to rise up in armed revolution against the British but had failed to elicit much response from the spineless Princes hedged in by living comfortable lives under British 'protection'. The Swami had also befriended Sir Hiram Maxim and learnt to use the machine gun invented by him, in his bid to inspire armed revolution in India. His words to Bagha Jatin, Tilak and Hemchandra Ghosh must be understood in the light of this background activity of his for which he even anticipated arrest by the British police and his execution thereof which he said would be the first nail in the coffin of British colonialism. All these facts may be traced as they are in the public domain. After Swamiji's death Sister Nivedita passed on his revolutionary legacy and message to the revolutionaries which sparked off the chain reaction which eventually decades later brought India freedom through the INA assault and its consequential mutiny in the British Indian Armed Forces.Narayanan Gandhi Sugata Bose Thanks for the response. I take your words in with large doses of scepticism, though. I will try to trace sources and try to rebut you or add to you .. meanwhile if you find sources kindly let me know ..Sugata Bose Narayanan Gandhi, self-medication may be your cup of tea, not mine. However, scepticism is one's birthright, to quote Einstein in an altered manner, and you are welcome to yours.Narayanan Gandhi I have also heard that Vivekananda had mentioned that India would get its freedom by a completely new way ... whcih very clearly points to Satyagraha under the Mahatma's leadershipSugata Bose India did get her freedom in a new way and that was the handiwork of the army led by Netaji from abroad whose subsequent Domino Effect in the British Indian Armed Forces uprooted the colonists from India.Narayanan Gandhi Though you are somewhat right about the domino effect the fact was that leadership of I.N.A. by Subhas Bose was the last and the most flashy among the stirngs of failures by Subhas Bose. By deftly conducting the I.N.A trials the Congress caused the domino effects which in a way salvaged Netaji's reputation too ...Narayanan Gandhi Sugata Bose Armed resistance is hardly new to the world ...Narayanan Gandhi I have also heard that Vivekananda's brother disciples like Swami Shivananda had appreciated the works of Gandhiji ..Narayanan Gandhi I have also heard that Ramakrishna Mission had condemned the bomb throwing brand of 'National' struggle ...Narayanan Gandhi I have not done much research on these things as I was not that interested in Vivekananda but I will try to find out the references and will give it if and when I find them ...Sugata Bose It is improper for anyone to tell lies. Hence, desist from pretence.Narayanan Gandhi ?Sugata Bose Narayanan Gandhi is a fake identity. Reveal before the public who you are and then I will call you a man, for your hero, Gandhi, at least had the courage to reveal all his impious activities before the wide world, of course, as and when it suited him.Narayanan Gandhi Some idiot called you a fake id of another namesake of yours and you were rightly angry. You are calling me a fake id. How should I react? I have already made it clear that my logic and facts constitute my identicy. I have mentioned I am a character in a evolving story. My id is not the issue here but the facts and logic presented by me.Sugata Bose Learn to use proper language. Whoever had done so had even that day of his unfortunate behaviour not received from me any untoward epithet. I was not merely angry initially at the boy but full of love for him as well soon after which I maintained throughout and do so even now, for he is my countryman who I, therefore, love. I am unlike you who hates our heroes, ever pretending to love them in a perverse manner, though, even in hate. I am honest to my self and cannot pretend thus.Narayanan Gandhi As for sanity and violence, I still hold that no sane person will anytime support any 'violence'. He or she may support taking up arms and acting with arms but never violence. Even an armed warrior is not allowed to posess 'himsa'. He or she are taught to act with a cool determination.Sugata Bose You are neither a patriot nor a proper practitioner of your vocation. You are simply a nuisance on social media, an irritating character who merely distracts people from feeling patriotic fervour by drawing them to futile discussions. Your track record shows it.Narayanan Gandhi Sugata Bose Your otherwise clearly seen affability takes a hit when you come across rock-solid logic and sanity. I keep saying non-violence is not the correct translation for ahimsa. Ahimsa IS a basic tenet of our religion and nation and taking up arms against adharma is NOT violence nor is it opposite Ahimsa.Sugata Bose Narayanan Gandhi, you are impervious to reason. Otherwise, everyone on facebook would not have failed to have convinced anything beyond what you have chosen to irrationally subscribe to. You are a shame as an Indian. No Japanese would have forgiven you had you done this in Japan, for they, unlike us, are a supremely patriotic people. You are now a negative influence on society, have lost your life's bearings and need to rectify stance and correct your course before you may be allowed to enter into decent discourse, for your purpose in such is to pervert the discussion.Sugata Bose India did get her freedom in a new way and that was the handiwork of the army led by Netaji from abroad whose subsequent domino effect in the British Indian Armed Forces uprooted the colonists from India.Sugata Bose The Ramakrishna Mission is an apolitical organisation which has maintained its aloofness from the freedom movement as such. Hence, this comment of yours may be pertinent to you but is extraneous to the discussion here. It is time to rectify, else, neither Bharat Mata nor your Ishta Devata/Devi will forgive you for your pretentious posturing and perfidies perpetrated persistently on this social medium. Time it is high to rectify stance and cast off your garb to feel an iota of patriotism which you evidently lack. Bande Mataram!Narayanan Gandhi I have been told that Ramakrishna Mission officially denounced bomb throwing culture. I am searching for supporting evidence. Will let you know when I get them.Sugata Bose First search for your own identity, then beg forgiveness of the armed revolutionaries for your sins against them, especially, Netaji, are many.Narayanan Gandhi My identity is in the logic and facts I present. Answer them with your logic and facts.Sugata Bose Sri Ramakrishna and Holy Mother have asked devotees to shun the company of the wicked. I can stun you with facts and figures, line and logic, but feel such an abhorrence at your unpatriotic activities on facebook and God knows where else, that I desist from communicating. All that I have thus far furnished were facts of history and my logic and line of reasoning backing my arguments were sound enough for any reasonable man. But traitors like you abound everywhere in India in small numbers and they may best be ignored to their self-suffocation in selfish pursuit.Sugata Bose Learn to use proper language. Whoever had done so had even that day of his unfortunate behaviour not received from me any untoward epithet. I was not merely angry initially at the boy but full of love for him as well soon after which I maintained throughout and do so even now, for he is my countryman who I, therefore, love. I am unlike you who hates our heroes, ever pretending to love them in a perverse manner, though, even in hate. I am honest to my self and cannot pretend thus.
Narayanan Gandhi Gandhi is my name, not surname. I am a charecter of a Live, Evolving Story - from my ProfileSugata Bose One habituated to lying does not eventually even realise one's lies to such and starts hallucinating them to be truths.Sugata Bose The Ramakrishna Mission is an apolitical organisation which has maintained its aloofness from the freedom movement as such. Hence, this comment of yours may be pertinent to you but is extraneous to the discussion here. It is time to rectify, else, neither Bharat Mata nor your Ishta Devata/Devi will forgive you for your pretentious posturing and perfidies perpetrated persistently on this social medium. Time it is high to rectify stance and cast off your garb to feel an iota of patriotism which you evidently lack. Bande Mataram!Sugata Bose India did get her freedom in a new way and that was the handiwork of the army led by Netaji from abroad whose subsequent domino effect in the British Indian Armed Forces uprooted the colonists from India.Sugata Bose Narayanan Gandhi, you are impervious to reason. Otherwise, everyone on facebook would not have failed to have convinced you anything beyond what you have chosen to irrationally subscribe to. You are a shame as an Indian. No Japanese would have forgiven you had you done this in Japan, for they, unlike us, are a supremely patriotic people. You are now a negative influence on society, have lost your life's bearings and need to rectify stance and correct your course before you may be allowed to enter into decent discourse, for your purpose in such is to pervert the discussion.Sugata Bose Narayanan Gandhi, self-medication may be your cup of tea, not mine. However, scepticism is one's birthright, to quote Einstein in an altered manner, and you are welcome to yours.Rajyashree Chaudhuri Hinduism stands for harmonious blend between Creator-Creation and Mankind. Gandhiji was a perfect impostor.Not a single God and Goddess popularly worshipped by Hindus are without arms. In fact women divinity are with arms. Gandhiji made a donkey out of the people with abusing the word ahimsa- which is ill feeling between people and not sitting and sucking thumb when anti Hindus are ransacking all precious records of Hinduism.All followers of the Gandhiji's AHIMSA are traitors to mankind
Rajyashree Chaudhuri All persons speaking of Gandhiji-like AHIMSA are the traitors to Hinduism, Indian tradition and of course worst enemies of innocent mass. The rich and mighty is not asked to disarm like the British rulers were never asked by Gandhiji to disarm. But the innocent people fighting the exploiters are asked to disarm by Gandhiji and his conspiring group under the banner of AHIMSA and get killed or captured by the British.Sumit Chandra Rajyashree Chaudhuri even the popularity of Ashoka's story that he became great after embracing Buddhism and renouncing violence is all fake.Its a well crafted deception technique to fool the already demoralised Indians.Narayanan Gandhi Hinduism doesn't need enemies when it has 'friends' and illogical people like Rajyashree Chaudhuri and Sumit Chandra ... I say that simply people hate Mahatma Gandhi, it doesn't make Ahimsa a bad word. Ahimsa is a central doctrine to Hinduism and India and subscribing to Ahimsa doesn't prohibit one from taking up arms against adharma. Independent India won its first war against Pakistan with the blessings of Mahatma Gandhi.Sugata Bose Narayanan Gandhi, you are deluded, perverse in your persistence in propagating untruth and simply incorrigible for your lack of balance of judgement, that is, a rational receptive frame of mind that can accept data without filtering out essential content through prior persuasions or pernicious preconditioning, disallows such entry of pertinent data into your brain or, else, expels any such that may contradict existent fanatical preconceptions. Hence, to attempt to illumine the dark corridors of your mind by posting reasonable arguments and data is simply an exercise in futility, although, I must say, arguing with you when one has time and opportunity at one's disposal can be a delightful experience in hilarity.
Narayanan Gandhi It is a communist deception technique to portray that some stray aimless bomb throwers achieved Freedom for India and to whitewash the whole mass movement that consolidated into Satyagraha under Mahatma Gandhi. The inclusion of the I.N.A. was an afterthought by them.Narayanan Gandhi Obviously you are looking into a mirror and giving a delightfully verbose description of what you see. Thanks for that and one more thanks for the last few lines, Sugata Bose ji.Sugata Bose Narayanan Gandhi, I told you, you have an impeccable sense of humour, and you have proved me right away with your mirroring of your inner essence which, perhaps you know, is 'raso vai sa'.Partha Sanyal Very sad observation about true freedom fighters shows lack of respect for these freedom fighters for whom we enjoying our freedom. These kind of observations indicate poor knowledge base about true freedom fighters and and observation have no truth.
Vipin Singh Kewal Ahinsa se swatantrata hame poorna Satya nahi prateet hota SirMadhusudan Pal Nonviolence is never the only core substance of the geeta .Sumit Chandra Concept of non violence, ahimsa, story of Buddhist Ashoka the Great are all part of British attempt to subdue an already disarmed race of people. I wonder how hard the British tried in over 90 years to maintain their colony for loot but still were not successful.Madhusudan Pal The terms nonviolence o ahingsha denotes different ly.. meaning r not same. To create confusion is crimeVipin Singh The first need is to know the exact nature of AhinsaVipin Singh Aaj ke samay mein updeshak bahut jyada haiVipin Singh Geeta samajhana Kya itna asan hai ki har koi byakhya kar de. Bhagawan ne kaha hai ki koi hi Meri kripa se kuchha ansh Geeta ko samajh sakata haiMadhusudan Pal Story of the ashoka is manipulated o hyped to.a large extent to suit interest of brit o Gandhi. Nehru sikularismJuthika Sarkar Sugata Bose Sir, Honesty only survives till the end, none or nothing others!
These all arguments of falsehood are fragile and have to get vanished from the black board of time ,when the duster of Honesty with respective proofs will wipe out all these false statements!!Juthika Sarkar If anyone's identity is fake and questionable then how he could represent the honesty !Juthika Sarkar Anti-racism was the keyword!keyword for him to unite the mass against an worldwide offence.
In a foreign country like South Africa one leader fought for the right of
south africans . the History of civilised mankind knows that On political emergency any country would appreciate a leader who goes for the foreign support or favour to seek for enhancing the countrymen's strength, if any leader try it from outside the country to enhance the strength & power of the Army & Military!
Then why the country like India had been doing discriminating among the Leaders for long back!
why some leader gets appreciated and famous in History for his moral support to South Africa to oppose the racism whereas the Ironman leader like Rash behari Bose remains almost forgotten & unmentioned in History !
why does a leader like Subhash Bose gets a tag of war criminal for taking the side of axis power!!
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