Subhasish Banerjee : 2 inches scale dia Himialaya mapbo ???? He is Guru of my Guru, my God....
Sugata Bose : No, not that, but just to voice one's own perception without being judgemental about such a seminal personality, to share one's own stance in terms of acceptance of the peerless Paramahamsa -- or, in the extreme and rather unlikely case of rejection wholesale -- so that the different facets of the Master come through for appreciation by all. @ Subhasish Banerjee
Subhasish Banerjee : Yes, you are right Sir...
Debkanti Moitra : Taking the que from your comments referring to his proclamation to Narendranath at Kossipur, that he was reincarnation of Rama n Krishna and also added " but not through your Vedanta". That's why I said he was God n also not but the supreme reality.
Sugata Bose : Superb rebuttal, Debkanti MoitraMahashay. You are, indeed, Moitra Vedanti or our Vedanta Maharaj. But please remember not to lose your teeth through neglect of dental care, for in that case you will also be Bedanti (devoid of teeth) in our colloquial Bengali parlance. @ Debkanti Moitra
Hemendrakumar Mandal : Sat kando ramayaner por Sita Ramer ma?
Sugata Bose : Is it sarcasm? Then it is ill-intended and ill-directed, too. It were better if you contributed your considerable knowledge of this specific Ramayana that you mention, its story-line, the delineation of its characters and the narrative's eventual destiny, to this discourse for all to benefit from instead of this one-liner that carries scant weight beyond it being an oft-quoted statement for a fruitless exercise in levity, here presented by way of partaking in derisive delight, perchance, if I have read right the intent and if I have not over-read into its meaning.
Anyhow, to set matters straight, let me satisfy you, if I may, that is, and if I can, that is, as to why these sorts of questions are pertinent. They set people rethinking about prior conclusions, inferences arrived at earlier and settled judgements that have almost become fossilised. Such reexamination of theories are the standard mode of scientific thinking and investigation and one sees no reason as to why such a stupendous subject as the science of spirituality should be excluded from this mode of scientific enquiry on a continuous basis for theory to get re-validation or rejection, as the case may be, over the passage of time. Such continuous questioning, even though to the devout it may seem to be an exercise in absurdity and in utter foolishness, is really the hallmark of human civilisation where rational enquiry has been the basis for the discovery of all empirical knowledge and the basis for philosophical ratiocination as well. Spirituality and its dogmatic or devout declarations, if they are left outside of the purview of persistent questioning by way of the attempted examination of all its aspects, attitudes and assertions, will degenerate into a semblance of the fanatic's creed which is wholly unwholesome. Hence, this sort of periodic examination of an almost settled fact for devotees, an utterly absurd proposition for most rationalists, agnostics, atheists and anti-theists, and a worthwhile subject for debate and discussion on a renewed basis for those who look to refreshing the intellectual discourse about contentious human beliefs and convictions, assumes signal significance. And it is in this light, dear noble friend,Hemendrakumar Mandal Mahashay, that this question thrown to the readers by this writer must be seen and duly responded to if the will be there, if the exercise is not considered still a waste of time and effort and if the inspiration to share one's knowledge with others be copiously present in the concerned individual.
Thanking you for holding patience with this writer in belaboured boredom,
I remain ever yours in Sitaram, of your choice at that, though not in the marvellous maternal sense of the former with respect to the latter as suggested by your highness with reference to the old adage but in loving conjugal divine kinship of the delightful duo,
Sugata Bose.
Hemendrakumar Mandal : Sugata Bose, instead of wasting time over unfruitful deliberation please try to go through the arduous path of god realisation as described by most intelligent scientist Sri Ramakrishna. When you were shown a clear pathway for your journey what is the need for fruitless imagination. You can resort to if if you have enough time to do intellectual gymnastics but remember it for sure the great Bengali proverb, bissase milay bostu torke bohudur.
Sugata Bose : Ah, you have taken it badly,Hemendrakumar Mandal ! Why so, brother? Take it with a pinch of salt and in good humour.
Hemendrakumar Mandal : I know we're in the same boat brother.
Sugata Bose : But you are the helmsman,Hemendrakumar Babu, and I a common passenger, a co-pilgrim by your gracious acceptance in your vessel.
Hemendrakumar Mandal : I have to relate the same words for your acknowledgement
Sugata Bose : Ah, goodness me ! Who am I, Sir, but an insignificant ant before the mighty mountain of knowledge and wisdom Your Highness is the repository of? @ Hemendrakumar Mandal
Hemendrakumar Mandal : Don't misunderstand me i am simply a follower that is also according to my qualifications
Swami Ekarthananda Puri : There are innumerable instances, but I will cite just two to make point clear.
First, after remaining in Nirvikalpa Samadhi continuously for six months Sri Ramakrishna heard the command of Divine Mother that He should remain in Bhavamukha avastha, that is a position from where he could be aware of the Absolute and the Relative at the same time, the borderland between the the two. This is the position of Ishwara as Sri Ramakrishna Himself has said if the Mother does not step aside one cannot get the Nirvikalpa Samadhi, so the Mother is sitting in on the gateway as gatekeeper, the highest point where the human mind can reach.
Secondly, in Cossipore, when after repeated pursuance by his intimate disciples following the statement of Pandit Shashadhar, who had said that Sri Ramakrishna could just cure his cancer, Sri Ramakrishna prayed to the Divine Mother that he should be able to eat something, the Divine Mother pointing to His disciples replied, "Are you not eating through all these mouths?" The experience that I am present in all creatures, and eating through all the mouths, walking through all the legs etc, is the experience of God, Ishwara and not an ordinary sadhaka.
Debkanti Moitra : Firstly, Thakur never remained in Nirvikalpaka samadhi continuously for six months, Irony know the source if your information.
Debkanti Moitra : Read as I don't know.
Swami Ekarthananda Puri : The vision and experience of the Master during his Nirvikalpa Samadhi of six months
Reply: Sometimes, by the complete merging of I-consciousness externally, the symptoms of death appeared on the body, and internally, the unobstructed vision of the Mother continued. Sometimes again, with the reappearance of a little I-consciousness, symptoms of life returned slightly and the vision of the divine Mother continued, though a little obstructed because of the intervention of the screen of the mind, which was then pure, transparent and holy owing to the preponderance of Sattwa. Thus, sometimes, there was the vanishing of the I-consciousness, the complete cessation of mental modifications and the full direct vision of the divine Mother; again, sometimes, there was the coming into existence of a little I-consciousness, the manifestation to a small extent of the modifications of the mind, and simultaneously a slightly obstructed vision of the divine Mother happened again and again.
Question: How long did he continue to make that attempt?
Reply: Continually for six months.
SRI RAMAKRISHNA THE GREAT MASTER, III, 3, 8
Debkanti Moitra : According to Gospel of Sri. Ramakrishna, if somebody remains in Nirvikalpaka Samadhi exceeding 21 days he cannot come back and his body goes away, means death. So the question of him remaining continuously in Samadhi is not correct.
Debkanti Moitra : I think what you actually wants to mean that he continuously practised this samadhi under the guidance of Totapuri for a period of six months and not that he remained in Samadhi for continuous six months.
Swami Ekarthananda Puri : Murkha Devo bhava.
Debkanti Moitra : Egoistic comment, unbecoming for the monks.
Debabrata Das Barman : Not a good question.
Sugata Bose : Why so?
Debabrata Das Barman : Sugata Bose, there may be or may not be God's existence but you can ignore their sacrifices.That's all.
Sugata Bose : Debabrata Das Barman, I am not ignoring anybody's sacrifice but am only raising pertinent questions that often engage the human mind, and, so, wish to elicit through the responses the stance and status of the general public as to these contentious issues.
Santo Chakraborty : আপনার যা মনে হয় সেই ভেবে চলুন অন্যে কি ভাবে তা ভেবে লাভ নেই ংংংং
Sugata Bose : Not very charitable a feeling you bear me, my dear friend. Why must you say so? We are all in a common human family and like to know what others feel about a matter that concerns many, if not all. @ Santo Chakraborty
Abhijitt Mukharjji : Did he say, he was God?
Sugata Bose : Did he not on numerous occasions to his devotees and disciples by way of oblique references and in some instances, as in the case of Narendranath at Kashipur Garden House where he declared himself to be the reincarnation of Rama and Krishna and on several other occasions when he declared himself to be a divine incarnation and, that too, its fullest manifestation, directly affirm that he was none other than the supreme Lord in human clay even as a king is when in disguise he inspects his kingdom and the state of his subjects? @ Abhijit Mukharji
Gyanendra Pant : Mostly It depends upon ones own perception, religious inclination. However we must test before reaching at conclusion, it may not be the matter of belief in the statement of whatsoever be the great spiritual personality. In this case we need to go through the word of Buddha: Don't believe in the word of master whatsoever great he may be, test it for yourself and know the truth.
Sugata Bose : Bravo, that's the spirit !
Bholanath Jha : I don't know the definition of God.But indeed Lord Ramakrishna having great soul.Lord Ram and Krishna can be hypothetical but Lord Ramakrishna and Vivekanand can't be.
Debkanti Moitra : If Ramakrishna n Vivekananda are not hypothetical then their origin/root too cannot be hypothetical, isn't it?
Sugata Bose : Debkanti Babu, what Bholanath Jha must have meant is that Rama and Krishna may not have been historical personalities as such. The acceptance by the devout of their historic appearance on earth has been here likened to a hypothesis by Bholanath Jha, to my reckoning. Perhaps, a better clarification only Shree Jha can give.
Debkanti Moitra : I understand what he says. This is just a rejoinder.
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