COMMENTS GALORE ... 21

COMMENTS GALORE ... 21

Sugata Bose @YouTube : Why do we, Indians, all speak together to create a cacophony? And why do we so lack in clear rationality that makes for the forward movement of a discussion?

Sugata Bose @YouTube : Ravi Shastri is too loud as a commentator. He evidently lacks in musical sense so very essential for commentating. This hyper-excitement borne on a discordant overloud voice perhaps comes from the lack of harmony in Indian classical music in sharp contrast to Western classical music, the latter's harmonic influence having percolated into Western society and consequently into Western diction even in common parlance, leave alone public speaking which as an untrained Indian commentator Shastri is making a mess of through his undue inharmonious loudness of expression. Alas, few are discerning enough to point these deficiencies out where they do exist in an unseemly manner!

Sugata Bose @Durga Prasad : Shallow explanation of something very profound. Any extract from Swamiji is to be interpreted in accurate terms without diluting the ideal of absolute continence that must accompany any such subject-object intended change. The philosophical or even scientific assumptions here are flawed and needed a more rigorous rational basis. Unfortunately, surface thinkers indulge in such seemingly deep discussions, making a mockery of philosophy which is grounded in deeper truth. Indian rationality is at its nadir now.

Even the RKM monks of esteemed public stature are making a mockery of rationalisation of the Vedanta when they are patently flitting from idea to idea without filling in the deep gaps, the yawning intellectual chasms that ought to absorb their attention when they are addressing such profound truths about God, Nature, Self and Truth. We are yet to produce a number of profound thinkers who can give depth to discussion. Most of the modern messiahs preaching high-flown philosophy are half-bred intellectuals without a clue to their shortcomings which is why our Vedanta does not even create ripples in the world despite its potential to raise real tidal waves in the mind of man.

Sugata Bose @A devotee : I am in bliss. Read Kathamrita whole night till dawn put me to sleep. And I awoke to freshness thence.

Sugata Bose @YouTube : The Don is streets ahead of Tendulkar. Simply no comparison. Sachin pales into insignificance before the Don. Bradman's phenomenal concentration, uncanny sense of line and length, astute judgement in shot selection, insatiable appetite for runs, nonpareil footwork using the full space between wicket snd batting crease, prodigious intelligence, rapid reflexes, superb hand-eye coordination and unorthodox grip on the bat which invariably kept the ball on the ground made him nearly twice as good as the best of batsmen in cricketing history making a global panel of renowned journalists come to the considered conclusion that he was not only the greatest batsman and cricketer in history but the greatest sportsperson in the history of recorded modern sports of all hues. In no other sports has there been a champion player who was nearly twice as good as the second best. But the Don was exactly thus. Hence, it is a case of comparison. If the Don is substance, Tendulkar is his penumbral shadow and no more. This is by no way to demean Tendulkar's great gifts and his prodigious career output but it is to set the record straight. We must in eulogy not lose balance of judgement. That's all.

Sugata Bose @Amitabha Dutta Majumdar : Of course I am and so are other well-intentioned opposers of injustice, though they be few and far between. And it is not a case of being the exceptional one but rather being one who chooses to stand up in defence of what one considers to be right and good for the common weal. Hence, your question, whatever be the concealed intent in it, falls flat and bears no more meaning than either being a jibe at the author or a lazy inquisitiveness with the purpose of irritating him rather than standing in alliance with him for the greater good of society, at least in terms of awakening public consciousness. Sad to behold the decline of intellectual and moral culture in our society as your undue questioning seems to bear ample testimony to unless, of course, I have read too much into it. Seems not to be so, though, as the summary nature of the question, as if in supercilious terms, apparently indicates.

Sugata Bose @Suvadeep Sen : Thanks for the post. These ones must be posted over and over again to drive the menace of surface nonsense in the name of devotion away. But, alas, yours as well as mine is a lost cause as the shameless protagonists of what Swamiji warned against will keep on at their verbal drill with their characteristic irrirating persistence!

Sugata Bose @Abhijit Mandal : The ancient Hindus, that is, our ancestors then, practised a different version of high philosophy which sadly got mixed up with later superstition, accretion that has altered the very character of the Hinduism practised today. Buddhism in its pursuit of popularity brought about image worship in this land which has now become the main course of Hinduism with all its dualistic debility of dependence. As history unfolded and the once virile race weakened overtime, we moved away increasingly from our roots and adopted a hybrid of ritualistic practices which now form the fabric of what we call practised Hindiism. The Upanishads form the philosophical fountainhead of our Dharma and the Upanishads were what Swamiji attempted in vain to popularise among us. We have failed him but we ought not to anymore. This common devotion in superficial verbal terms that we encounter en masse by the day speaks volumes for the shallowness of our spiritual culture today and we have work at hand here. Moreover, Hinduism has got mixed up with feudal devotion to the potentate whose legacy we behold in the slavish cringing of the commoner to the monk, minister and the moneyed man. This is a loss of character we must address. Here again, drinking deep of the Upanishads will release us into the realm of strength and blessedness and unto self-respect and self-dependence. 🕉

Sugata Bose @Amitabha Dutta Majumdar : Thanks for your encouragement. Bespeaks of the high idealism of the old guard who had appeared in pre-independence days. Alas, ideals are lacking these days and their practice an exercise in hypocrisy. Tall talk and hollow intent -- this is the order of the day.

Sugata Bose @Bhaskar Sen Sharma : What about Sri Ramakrishna getting duped by Semitic ill-intent carefully camouflaged by selective preaching of its tenets to him?

Sugata Bose @Bhaskar Sen Sharma : Imaginary God. Brahman is Witness in quite a different sense, having no link with Maya whatsoever and, hence, incapable of observation of relative phenomena. Mahamaya is cooking up all these toxic features in a percinious play that has an evening up in end-terms though. Tragedy throughout with comic relief at times but with eventual freedom when the soul sees through Her crafty designs. Renunciation wins in the end for the individual as the diabolical God designs fresh traps for humouring His idle hour. Busy indeed in work and work indeed at that!

Sugata Bose @Bhaskar Sen Sharma : Face the crowd one day that in the name of faith converts or kills by scriptural commandment and you will come to reason. The other faith craftily converts by economic and other inducement, its European flock having deserted it during the days of the Enlightenment.

Sugata Bose @Bhaskar Sen Sharma : Comforting self-interpretation, of little use when Hindus are persecuted by Abrahamic ill-intent.

Sugata Bose @Bhaskar Sen Sharma : Read Sita Ram Goel and Ram Swarup. Deliberate denial of historical fact needs no more rebuttal. Read Swamiji in-depth and come to reason. A cursory glance isn't enough to pass pronouncement on such seminal issues. When Nivedita had been so intransigent regarding the Union Jack, Swamiji had called such adherence to perverse patriotism 'wicked'. This is by way of an altered reference to unfounded intransigence in general.

Sugata Bose @Bhaskar Sen Sharma : Read the Qur'an. Good sense will prevail after that. The misty eye will see better.

Sugata Bose @Soham Pain : The reason why the capital 'G' has been used is because this particular God is thought by followers of this faith to be the only true God but by its detractors as not so and as yet another invention of the medieval man as he set about to interpret the riddle of existence and assign a divine being to explain its causal source. Hence, both the use of the capital 'G' to denote the so-to-say Almighty God and its precedence by the indefinite article 'a' to signify that this particular God is after all not deemed by all to be so.

Sugata Bose @Debaprasad Bhattacharya : The basis itself, though, calls for increase in its numbers. Hence, the two features cannot be separated here. Sure enough, though, that is a temporal political movement rather than a spiritual religion as such.

Sugata Bose @Bhaskar Sen Sharma :You are cut off from both scriptural knowledge pertaining to this faith and the historical reality thereof. When there is such a factual inadequacy in one's assertios, it is an exercise in futility to argue a case with him. Imagination and verbal effusion do not cover argumentative ground enough. Hence, it is a point of no return as always to settle a debate with such a one.

Sugata Bose @Bhaskar Nath : Conversion has its scriptural basis too. It has a historical tradition steeped in human blood. Proselytising is politics after all.

Sugata Bose @Krishnan Hariharan : The trouble they have caused thus far and continue to do so even today across the world is a cause of grave concern for it concerns the security and safety of the infidel under attack. Hence, education about the theological and political principles they espouse is an absolute necessity for it alone can reveal their true intent, otherwise carefully camouflaged. Their scriptures outline, often detail, their beliefs, the divine injunctions upon them and their obligation to carry them out in real life to secure for themselves a berth in high heaven. And history bears testimony to this dastardly proselytising that has reduced the world to a war zone for well over a millennium. Both Islam and Christianity have played havoc with world civilisation in their proselytising play and their act is not yet over it seems. Europe is fast turning into a cultural war zone and our subcontinent seems to have been done with already. Unless all progressive people rooted in liberal principles -- not the politically motivated pseudo surface-liberals -- join hands to defend freedom of spirit as the Sanatan Dharma in all its universal scope embodies, we are in for troubled times.

Sugata Bose @YouTube [Swami Balabhadrananda] : স্বামীজী দ্ব্যর্থহীন ভাষায় অন্যায়ের বিরুদ্ধে সোচ্চার হয়েছিলেন | আপনারা যাঁরা স্বামীজীর অনুগামী, যাঁরা তাঁরই পদাঙ্ক অনুসরণ করে চলেছেন, তাঁরা তৎসত্তেও পৃথিবীর দুর্নীতির বিরুদ্ধে, অন্যায় অবিচারের বিরুদ্ধে সমভাবে সোচ্চার হননা কেন? এতে তো স্বামীজীর আদর্শ যথাযথভাবে পালন হচ্ছে না, সংঘ অর্থানুকুল্যে জাগতিকভাবে অধিকতর শক্তিশালী হলেও নৈতিক ও আধ্যাত্মিকভাবে দুর্বল হয়ে পড়ছে ক্রমশঃ |

Sugata Bose @Shaon Malik : Absolutely so. Few read. Fewer understand. Fewest care to act upon it.

Sugata Bose @Krishna Dhan Das : তাহলে তো আরও গভীরে গিয়ে বলতে হয়, "আমি জীব," আরও গভীরে, "আমি ব্রহ্ম," আরও গভীরে, নিশ্চুপ, নৈঃশব্দ | 'মানুষ' উপাধি শুনতে শুনতে কান ঝালাপালা হয়ে গেল | মানুষই হোক আর অমানুষই হোক, তাদের দিয়ে জগতের কোন লাভ নেই |

Sugata Bose @Bipul Adhikari : গণতন্ত্রে প্রকল্প জনতার, নাগরিকসমূহের, কোন দিদি-দাদার নয় |

Sugata Bose @Debaprasad Bhattacharya : Read Ramendrasundar Bhattacharya's interview in this regard (Prabuddha Bharata August issue, 2006). According to him Thakur had shown himself up as Rama and Krishna in real form before dissolving those forms in himself once again. It was only then that Narendranath was convinced. Swami Lokeshwaranandaji had said to us to the same effect, having spoken of it first in a Kathamrita class at the Ramakrishna Mission Institute of Culture and a week later reiterating the same to a group of devotees upon being requested by me to narrate the incident once again. He said that it was a closely guarded secret in Belur Math and had been passed on from one generation of monks to another. Now it is available both in an Udbodhan Issue of 1976 and the Prabuddha Bharata August issue of 2006.

Sugata Bose @YouTube ['I am Bose' of  Kunal Bose] Tarun Goswami the interviewee/speaker :

হেমচন্দ্র ঘোষ, হেমচন্দ্র দত্ত নয় ।

মিস জোসেফিন মাকলাউড য (১৮৫৮--১৯৪৯) ৯৪ নয়, ৯১ বছর শরীরে ছিলেন । তিনি স্বামীজীকে দর্শন করেন ১৮৯৩ সালে ৩৫ বছর বয়সে । যদি তখন থেকে তিনি তাঁর বয়স গণনা করে থাকেন তো মৃত্যুকালে তাঁর বয়স সেই হিসেবে ৫৬ বছর হওয়ার কথা, ৪৮ বছর নয় ।

অনেক ভুল তথ্য নাগাড়ে পরিবেশন করেছেন বক্তা ।

In his superficial analysis of Swamiji the speaker has made a mockery of understanding the seminal personality of Swamiji. Absolutely a travesty of terms in every sense.

ঈশ্বরলাভ মানে মানুষের সান্নিধ্যলাভ? আজ ঠাকুরের কথার এই ভাষ্য শুনতে হবে? Trivialising Ramakrishna and Vivekananda in a despicable way.

বিশ্লেষণের ব্যভিচার !

আলাসিঙ্গা পেরুমল স্বামীজীকে select করেছিলেন? এ তো ভারী অদ্ভূত, উদ্ভট বিবরণ ! How audacious of the interviewee to utter such a thing!

Sri Aurobindo did not say that Vivekananda took the 'universe' between his two hands but had said that he took the 'world' in a like fashion.

Too many factual errors. Too shallow a personality the speaker is. Making a mockery of Swamiji in trying to colour the man and his message after his own manner, however farfetched from truth it be. Worst of all is the observation on the love Nivedita supposedly bore Swamiji. Who gives permission to the interviewee to speak on the sublime emotions of such an exalted individual as Nivedita from a base level full of material dispositions where the speaker is located in?

A quotation hither and a quotation thither. One from Freud, one from Marx. Another from Bertrand Russell and another from Aurobindo. Then comes Plato and then comes Bernard Shaw. Just frothy observations skimming the surface without delving deep into any line of thought. It seems more like water-skiing than depth-diving. Alas, the state of decadent Bengal and its decadence in intellectual culture!

Sugata Bose @Jaya Mukherjee : This is a cautioning of Hindus to be not so dependent on lofty idealism alone but to practise realpolitik where necessary. There is no confusion in the minds of perceptive readers as to what I have said. Those who wish to read shallow should introspect as the diehard trouble-avoiding dreamily idealistic devotees so often are. Hindus who are daily suffering brutality at the hands of adherents of intolerant religions, as we in many parts of the Indian subcontinent are, will surely understand the true import of my post and stand by it. Upon sufferance comes realisation of hard facts that are not understood by those who have been not so fortunate to experience it. 🕉 

Sugata Bose @Chandradeb Mukhopadhyay : Avatar as Swamiji understood. I am too ignorant a person to know anything about Thakur. So, I accept him as Swamiji has taught me.

Sugata Bose @Chandradeb Mukhopadhyay: This is a nice ploy -- throwing back the question upon the questioner. Good one. Leaving the ball outside the off-stump in the corridor of uncertainty is often wicket-saving but exhorting the batsman to hit a straight drive at one is a little risky for one's head bereft of protective gear. All in good humour please. Do not mind this comment made in affability.

Sugata Bose @Sanjay Choudhry : You mean not a godman by current popular understanding?

Sugata Bose @Suvadeep Sen : He (General Dyer) is just the face of imperialism at one of its worst low points. But behind it all is the slow and often rapid bloodsucking by the colonial-imperial sophisticated machinery. Not just in India from where the maximum material and human wealth was drained but throughout the world the British did it which prompted a prophecy from the lips of Swamiji while lecturing in America that the Chinaman was the vengeance of God and of history that would descend upon the British in the fullness of time by way of evening up their karma.