COMMENTS GALORE ... 52

COMMENTS GALORE ... 52

Sugata Bose @Swapan Kumar Ghosh : PFI, now a banned Islamic organisation, has declared 2047 as the prospective year of India becoming an Islamic state. Simple arithmetic. Hindu educated population has declined to near 0.7 per couple while Muslim overall growth rate is still at above 3.5 per couple which is 5 times the Hindu growth rate. Add to it Dravididian, Dalit and Communust separatism among the Hindus and you have your 'picture perfect'. 

Hindus are an ancient civilisation, at last on the way out, and the last one to do so. Swamiji was apprehensive about Hindu population and attitudinal prospects when he wrote, 'Shall India die?' 

It will immediately need a complete reversal of the population policy for Hindus and an integration drive among its major sections coupled with aggressive reconversion programmes to bring home prodigal perverts from Islam and Christianity to stem the tide. The two proselytising Abrahamic religions must be constantly challenged in open debates to expose their philosophical vulnerability and their anti-civilisational core character despite violence that may be hurled at Hindus by way of regressive reaction. 

Hindus must be imparted martial training as Savarkar had envisaged, their essential precepts routinised despite a myriad divergence on the surface, and overall the Hindu polity must be made manly as Swamiji had exhorted. Otherwise, 'jal' will become 'pani' soon and Hindus will not receive 'haaley pani', as the Bengali saying goes. 

A last vital thing. Hindu business houses must go on a philanthropic drive to afford Hindu families sustain their 3-4 children policy. Here a secular government cannot do much but private organisations can, and they must. 🕉

Sugata Bose @Rajiv Banerjee: This name must be chanted 1080 times twice a day. Mere online writing will not help manifest power and purity. Vigour, valour, missionary zeal and sufficient aggression in propagation of the core principles of the Dharma is the sine qua non of the hour if we are to survive as a spiritual civilisation. Mere raising the chant hither and thither online will not save us. The fighting spirit has to be cultivated. Are you ready for that as well? Then join my effort at the resuscitation of our dying Hindu civilisation which is becoming bankrupt by the day at the hands of hollow, cowardly, superficial Hindus. 🕉

Sugata Bose @Indrajit Chatterjee : My own allegiance to truth provides me the courage to speak it fearlessly. সত্যনিষ্ঠাই সৎসাহস যোগায়, দুঃসাহস নয় | No question of deleting the post. Because it is from Kathamrita. And science and observation of lion behaviour upholds what I have said.

Sugata Bose @Tanmoy Lodh : পেলে তো বলতাম না হিন্দু সংখ্যায় ভয়ংকরভাবে কমছে, বিশেষতঃ ভদ্র শিক্ষিতজনের সমাজে, কিন্তু নতুন প্রজন্মে হিন্দুর উপস্থিতি তো তেমনভাবে পাচ্ছি না | আমাদেরই বৃহৎ পরিবারে তিন প্রজন্মে নবাগতের সংখ্যা তুলনামূলকভাবে ১০ শতাংশে এসে ঠেকেছে | এবং এর পরের প্রজন্মে তা আরও কমছে | সাধারণভাবে মেয়েরা বিয়ে করতে চাইছে না অথবা অত্যন্ত দেরীতে বিয়ে করছে, করলেও মা হতে চাইছে না কারণ চাকরিতে উন্নতি করার পথে মাতৃত্ব বিশেষ বাধাস্বরূপ | এ ছাড়া সন্তানহীন দাম্পত্যজীবন অধিক স্ফূর্তিদায়ী, এও একটা কারণ | সমস্যা সঙ্গিন কারণ জনসংখ্যার মূল ভিত অতিশয় হ্রাস পেলে জনসংখ্যার হ্রাস আর উল্টোপথে ঘোরানো সম্ভব হবে না এবং মুসলমান সংখ্যা তুলনামূলকভাবে বৃদ্ধি পেলে দেশেক ধর্ম, সংস্কৃতি, সভ্যতা ও আইন ব্যবস্থার অনভিপ্রেত পরিবর্তনের দ্বারা সর্বনাশ সংঘটিত হবে | দুশ্চিন্তা ও গভীর মননের বিষয় বইকি |

Sugata Bose @YouTube [Firstpost] : This lady, Palki Sharma Upadhyay, is a half-baked journalist speaking a deal of gibberish at times in her apparently confident way which of course is the sign of ignorance.

Sugata Bose @Samarbijoy Chakraborty : People provide power through their abject servility as they have done to Nehru's family and now so many do to Netaji's extended family. This is slave mentality which we are prone to. Gandhi's inordinate austerity as a politician, simplicity of living, use of religious symbolism, hardened ideological conviction that gave certitude to his followers in adopting his path, his non-violence which made it easy for the masses to follow him and join him in his movement for freedom, especially in largely unarmed British India, his astute political intelligence, clever manoeuvring, mass-contact and British patronage of sorts who preferred non-violent Gandhi to the armed revolutionaries by a long distance---all these made him the preeminent political power of subjugated and struggling India. The death of the armed revolutionaries at the gallows and on the battlefields, the withdrawal from politics of seminal personages like Aurobindo Ghosh, the demise of Tilak, Lala Lajpat Rai and Bipin Chandra Pal---all these were also deciding factors in favour of Gandhi's huge popularity and power.

Sugata Bose @Tanmoy Lodh : Do have the courtesy to acknowledge a detailed answer in response to your query. That surely is part of civil communication. Else, your questions will deserve a like neglect from my side as well in future. And this is being said in pursuance of your past persistence in presenting pertinent and extraneous questions in regard to a post, and after being answered, quite conveniently dropping off conversation without acknowledgement accorded to the answers given. Surely, courtesy is par for the course in civil discourse.

Sugata Bose @Vidya K : But Nehru himself forced his way into becoming democratic India's first Prime Minister in a most undemocratic way, edging out Patel who had received 12 out of 15 votes of the Congress Working Committee that elected the prospective Prime Minister while Nehru had not even received a single vote. So, democracy and Nehru are at source an oxymoronic association that needn't confuse you anymore and lend credibility to the democratic credentials of the 'Gentle Colossus' (reference being made to Hiren Mukerjee's classic study of Nehru by the same name).

Sugata Bose @Satyanand Bhattacharjee : You have a point. Addressing the defence of my post from the 'progress' point that you have referred to would entail an elaborate answer which I am desisting from owing to paucity of time and energy at this point of time. For the subject is vast and varied which requires a series of articles to address and not merely a solitary responsive comment.

Sugata Bose @Satyanand Bhattacharjee : Of course we shall remain friends for I do not disagree on the 'progress' point as such but have corollaries to it which may not be delineated in a comment stream as stated. And even if we disagree, why should civility in conversation be renounced as to interpret disagreement as enmity that should end friendship? I remain your respectful friend as before. 🕉

Sugata Bose @Bimal Kumar Guria: বৌদ্ধরা ভাববাদী নন, অভাববাদী | পরিশেষে তাঁদের আত্মা, ব্রহ্ম কিছুই নেই | বাসনা নির্বাপিত হলেই সব শূণ্য | তাই তাঁরা বেদে অনাস্থাপর নাস্তিক তো বটেই | তাঁরা শূণ্যবাদী | অবশ্য, আপনি যে অর্থে তাঁদের ভাববাদী বলেছেন তা আমি বুঝেছি | বৌদ্ধরা চার্বাকদের ন্যায়, কমিউনিস্টদের ন্যায় অথবা ফরাসী বিপ্লব (French Revolution) ও আলোকপ্রাপ্ত (The Enlightenment) ইয়োরোপের নাস্তিকদের ন্যায় এক জন্মে বিশ্বাসী নন | তাঁরা বহুজন্মবাদী গভীর দার্শনিক | উপরোক্ত প্রতিবেদনে বৌদ্ধ অথবা জৈনদের কথা বলা হয়নি | নিছক বস্তুবাদী, এক জন্মে বিশ্বাসী, ইন্দ্রিয়গ্রাহ্য জগতের অতিরিক্ত কিছু নেই বলে যাঁদের ধারণা, সেই সব জন যাঁরা ভারতবর্ষে জন্মেও সনাতন ধর্মের গূঢ় তত্ত্ব বোধ করতে চেষ্টাই করলেন না, তাঁদেরই উদ্দেশ্যে বলা হয়েছে | আপনার মন্তব্যটি সুন্দর | 🕉

Sugata Bose @Debaprasad Bhattacharya : You are right. This monotheistic thrust on the Vedas is Abrahamic in origin. As Swamiji says, the Vedas build up an aspirant gradually from dualism to qualified non-dualism and eventually non-dualism, accepting all forms of graded worship as necessary steps in this spiritual ascent and rejecting none as superstition or spiritually redundant. Moreover, non-dualism is not monotheism, as Satyanand Bhattacharjee in his assertion on Shankaracharya's teaching avers. Shankaracharya wrote hymns to gods and goddesses which are all dualistic and even catering to images (prateeks) of the divine. 

Monotheism is essentially an idea stemming from the mathematical model of the pyramidal apex which, though, is mathematically flawed as the apex being a point is dimensionless and so transcendentally non-dual. Monotheism thus is even mathematically a flawed concept, perhaps stemming from the idea of the sovereign earthly ruler (king/emperor) determining human fate which then having been raised to a divine dimension has brought in the idea of the One Sovereign God governing the universe and beyond. The pyramid is composed of material multiplicity at all levels before it vanishes into the non-dual nothingness at the apex. Nowhere in its bodily structure is a single material entity possible as such as an entity is invariably, by the law of associatoon of discrete particles, a composite of tiny particles and can never stand in isolation alone. Thus, monotheism is an irrational assumption and a puerile proposition. All that is there is polytheism and non-dualism which is what the Sanatan Dharma is all about. 

As regards image-worship, who can conceive of the transcendent idea of the divine with his mental tool that is bound in name and form? If Nature has name and form and corresponding attributes, so must a god have if we are to conceive of him with our mental apparatus. When we have transcended the mind, we are no more nor is there any single God. All that is is pure existence which is pure consciousness as well, and being devoid of change is devoid of sorrow, hence pure bliss. This and so much more was the reason why the divine duo of Ramakrishna-Vivekananda wholeheartedly upheld image-worship and the multiplicity of gods and goddesses in the Hindu pantheon as not only valid but as indispensable to the growth of spirituality in the general mass of humanity. Reading this last statement men of much learning and little realisation will immediately jump to the conclusion that even if for the ordinary mind such superstition as idol-worship be necessary, surely extraordinary minds like Rammohan, Rabindranath and Vidyasagar would have no such necessity. Let me remind in this regard what Swamiji had said: "You may be an intellectual giant but a spiritual babe." Rammohan, Rabindranath and Vidyasagar were not spiritual aspirants in the strictest sense of the term that they would apprehend the depths to image-worship as a Ramakrishna or a Chaintanya or a Meera Bai did. Period. 🕉

Sugata Bose @Meghnad Bose : Abir, stay clear of all anti-Israel protest. The law is tricky, its interpretation often treacherous. What is antisemitism and what is not, is often difficult to define and changes form and substance with fluctuations in the interpretation scenario and consequent shift in US policy. So, be aware of all this, concentrate on study and stay clear of all political activity. May Thakur-Ma-Swamiji bless you! ... Baba

Sugata Bose @Satyanand Bhattacharjee : This is called dharmamaarga. Mokshamaarga is different altogether. It is the internal programme of bhajan-pujan-dhyan-svaadhyaay-seva, a more inclusive project than what Tagore here in a relatively exclusive assertion wishes to draw the attention of his countrymen in his bid to bring about a shift in their tamasic preoccupation with ritual religious observance of not much consequence in terms of either nation-building or even quickening spirituality which apparently is the aspired end of all these ritualists.

Sugata Bose @DrMrityunjoy Mahato : That would kill the very spirit of Hinduism and would be an imitation of the Abrahamic religions. Rather than this, every sect within the Sanatan fold must stress on certain key features with the Vedanta as its philosophical base and exhort adherents to practise and live up to them. For instance, svaadhyaay (scriptural study/the study of Sanskrit) and seva (service) may become universal Hindu practice. Another should be mutual help and cooperation rather than quarrels in the attempt to establish one's sectarian superiority over another. Vivekananda must be made staple to all Hindu sects so that a broader understanding of the Sanatan Dharma becomes possible. United we must stand against all Abrahamic proselytism. 🕉 is our universal divine symbol which should unite us all.

Sugata Bose @Swapan Kr Jana : Rubbish. Dharma is the basis of union of men as dharma means righteousness which is the foundation of all human societal integration. Vivekananda's views are diametrically opposed to what has been articulated here by Tagore apparently. However, it is difficult to understand from such a clipped quotation the context of the comment and whether Tagore is talking of sectarianism as dharma or not, for we in India are apt to calling 'panth' as 'dharma', thereby creating confusion.

Sugata Bose @Swami Vibhatmananda : Effeminacy that Swamiji abhorred. Soft, sentimental music evoking unmanliness he detested and exhorted his countrymen to take to rendition of music in a vigorous way with dhrupad leading the charge and drums, cymbals, rumbling bells and gongs making music thunder through to the sleeping soul. Awake!

Sugata Bose @Mrinmay Das : Prafulla Chaki was not the first martyr. Vasudev Balwant Phadke was (1883), then the Chapekar brothers (1898, 1899, 1899). These preceded Pradulla Chaki. However, you are right in your intended point. Prafulla Chaki did precede Khudiram Bose in martyrdom.

Sugata Bose @Suvadeep Sen : Is the martyrdom day of Prafulla Chaki not 2nd May? Wikipedia shows it thus. However, Wikipedia may be wrong. I seek confirmation from you.

Sugata Bose @Shusobhan Charit : We are a confused lot, cowardly and conflicted. Hence, our insecure affiliation to Marxism and pseudosecularism with open-armed invitation to proselytising invasive religions of Abrahamic origin and destructive intent. We are an ancient race, tired of facing endless onslaughts for millenia, so much so that even our great men, savants and scholars, sages and saints, divine vibhutis and avatars, in their attempts to harmonise the conflicting currents of our historical development, have been at their wit's end and so served us messages of segmented understanding of Abrahamic faiths that we have landed ourselves right in the midst of their deathly traps. Swami Vivekananda did warn us of these half-baked devotional developments but the Ramakrishna Mission has in their open preaching carefully sidelined those messages of caution, preferring instead to preach that all is hunky dory and we are on track to achieving universal brotherhood and perfect amity with our civilisational enemies before long while the Mission's failure to boldly stand in defence of the Hindus being easily traceable to their open avowal in the law courts that they were Ramakrishnaites and not Hindus, a fact attested by legal courts related to the Mission's plea for minority status consequent on their conflict with the Marxists of West Bengal in the 1980s. Through all this the Hindus have suffered as successive Congress Governments have neglected Hindu interests and upheld Muslim and Christian interests to the point that Hindus feel alien in their homeland. But what of it? Hindus love tall talk, platitudes and high-sounding harmony of no real consequence at the ground level and Hindus love to hibernate till Kingdom come. Who can save them who do not wish to save themselves? Now have you understood better? 🕉

Sugata Bose @Debasish Halder : Did you not get anything good in the Upanishads which are the foundational scriptures of the Sanatan Dharma? First ask yourself how far a man of continence you are before you question the credentials of our scriptures. Mend yourself first. Then the import of our scriptures will come clean to you and hopefully you will stand upright as a reformer individual.

Sugata Bose @Bharat Ojha : Ramakrishna Saradalok? New celestial sphere?

Sugata Bose @YouTube [Sange Tanmoy] : একটা পুরুষ জন্মায় না দেশে ? The interviewee is extremely effeminate, typical of Bengal that has failed to absorb virile Vivekananda but pretends to have done so, unthinkingly though. Swamiji had been dismayed by this effeminacy then and had exhorted Bengal to awake to manhood. His exhortation has fallen flat on Bengalees who have persisted in their sensual culture of soft sentiment, music and dance, poetry and prose, and have otherwise been perverted by alien ideology to embrace atheism and materialism of an inferior order. If Swamiji were alive in flesh and form today, he would have thundered his indignation at this degenerate state of Bengal and whipped us into better virility.

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