COMMENTS GALORE ... 90

COMMENTS GALORE ... 90

Sugata Bose @Paramhansa Shikshangan English Classes : Don't you instead feel inspired to fulfil Bhuteshanandaji's aspirations, his rightful expectations from conscientious devotees? How can and for how long must truth be watered down to suit the pampered mind's pleasure-seeking proclivities? "Truth does not pay homage to any society, ancient or modern. Society has to pay homage to Truth or die. Societies should be moulded upon truth, and truth has not to adjust itself to society." These were Swami Vivekananda's words pouring out like lava from the igneous Soul that he was, a Vesuvius among men.

Sugata Bose @Soumyadeep Dey : Really? RKM sadhus exhibiting anti-Muslim sentiment? Where have you seen it? Kindly disclose.

Sugata Bose @Ujjal Kumar Ghosh : Yes, from the causal perspective so but from the literary perspective the words have a certain bearing whose nuance must be apprehended.

Sugata Bose @Ashok Chakraborty : Is this what you read in the post? Is this how you read my labour of love for years? Or, have I read you wrong, misinterpreted your observation, that is?

Sugata Bose @Rajiv Banerjee : Do you not ever read my posts? Can you not stop all these silly responses once and for all? Can you not see what the post attempts to convey? Can't you write something worthwhile?

Sugata Bose @Ashok Chakraborty : আমি চাই না প্রশংসা | যা চাই তা হল বুদ্ধির ব্যবহার কিয়ৎ |

Sugata Bose @Ujjal Kumar Ghosh : Good one. Just the right tonic for the mind that has gone toxic with superficial or no knowledge of the relevant scriptures and scantier knowledge of history.

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : Swamiji's warning has not been heeded. His prophecy is fulfilling. This genetic pool will have marginalised existence in some other meandering current. It is a disastrous loss to the world. Care must be taken to reverse the mode. Awareness must be spread forthwith on a war footing.

Sugata Bose @Kapil Patil : I like your aggressive Maratha intensity, veritably the need of the hour.

Sugata Bose @Priyadarshi Gupta : Not that way. Caste/varna has its evolutionary significance in our society, the genetic flow of attributes. I am not advocating the perpetuation of caste but am merely highlighting the need to maintain the nobler attributes as yet flowing in the gentlemanly class which need preservation just like the lower caste people and the ourcastes or the Dalits need to be lifted up through temporary reservations whose period, to my mind, though, has gone long back. To prevent cultural decline the demographic balance needs to be maintained which does not mean that privilege must be maintained. The Constitution has already levelled those irregularities.

Sugata Bose @Priyadarshi Gupta : No, not just a Vedic concept but an evolutionary reality in India.

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : But Ramakrishna and Vivekananda are Avatars, God incarnate. How can Ramakrishna Mission raise them? Ramakrishna and Vivekananda can raise Ramakrishna Missions instead. Isn't it so?

Sugata Bose @Debaprasad Bhattacharya : Your observations are so pertinent and potent. Thank you. Please continue to think aloud for us to benefit from.

Sugata Bose @Kapil Patil : Here you see, by not agreeing with me you are helping yourself, that is, you are rejecting my message and helping yourself by sticking to your own idea, your own conviction.  And this also is self-help, self-dependence.

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : Shree Ramachandra, Shree Krishna, Buddha, Sri Ramakrishna, Sarada Devi and Swami Vivekananda were all non-vegetarians.

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : Perhaps you have not read the Ramayana and the Mahabharata where clear mention is there about Ram and Krishna's meat-eating. Buddha was a meat-eater. In fact he died of diahrroea after consuming putrid meat of a low-caste man who had invited him to his cottage for dinner. All kshatriyas ate meat. This has been the Sanatan tradition for ages. In the Indian Armed Forces today all are non-vegetarians just like our ksharriyas down the ages have been.

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : Rambhadracharya? Not a credible source of information or inference despite his bombastic quotations and claims.

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : There is no sense of guilt in meat-eating as much as there is no sense of guilt in eating vegetables or fruits. Both are necessary for a balanced diet.

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : What a shame that you know so little about Swami Vivekananda to cast such aspersions on him!

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : Who told you that Paramahamsas have dietary restrictions on them? They are free of all social and scriptural injunctions. They are free, freer than the air. They abide as Spirit, consuming whatever they need to keep their body alive, their higher conscience dictating their deeds. Paramahamsas are beyond all social and scriptural injunctions, let it be reiterated.

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : Swami Vivekananda used to sarcastically say, "Your religion is in the kitchen and your God is in the cooking pot."

Sugata Bose @Sanjeev Kumar : Pertinent points about your observation: 1) Are you overly sonosensitive that you find me 'yelling'? 2) Are you a psychiatrist and that too an impatient one? 3) Are you a good judge of others' knowledge? What I mean is, are you are adept in both medicine and law? 4) Are you dhārmic? 5) Are you an erudite in the Sanātan scriptures that you pass a pompous pronouncement that the Sanātan Dharma concerns itself only about sattva and leaves out rajas and tamas from its catholic consideration? 6) Are you an anarchist that you so easily identify your likeness like one finds oneself grimacing back at oneself in a plane mirror? I mean, are you seeing some sort of an anarchic likeness resonating in your being at my innocuous observation? 7) Are you the sole mouthpiece by self-appointment of the Sanātanis/Hindus? 8) Last but certainly not the least, are you yelling at me to silence me? Brother, it will not work. 🕉 Hindu!

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : Your earlier utterly puerile observation, almost judgemental, about Swami Vivekananda dying a sick man like an ordinary mortal because as a yogi, though he was mandated to be a vegetarian, he had violated it, has put your profile in the correct light and I cannot anymore be fooled into believing that you are well-read in Swamiji. Had you been so, you would not have borne such dietary absolutism that you do and would have borne far greater shraddhā for Swamiji and desisted from making such a mockery of a statement. I have formed a fairly accurate idea about the 'kitchen religion' that you consider the Sanātan Dharma to be with 'your religion is in the kitchen and your God is in the cooking pot' (quotation from Swamiji) to be the crux of its applied philosophy. Sorry, dear friend, my study of the Sanātan Dharma, scripturally and in austere application in real life, has taught me otherwise and it is in perfect conformity with the sayings and doings of the great sages (Hrishis), divine incarnations (Avatārs) and scholars/savants (pundits) running down the ages, barring, of course, those ones who under later Buddhist and all Jain influence have run counter to it by positing vegetarianism as mandatory, ostensibly for its sattvik benefits during the formative years of spiritual practice when the turbulent mind is more easily controlled by a milder diet. But by no means is such an injunction Vedic in origin and is, therefore, not binding on all Sanātanis. In the Sanātan Dharma there is a whole range of diversity to suit diverse temperaments. And casting it all as in a straitjacket hardly remains Sanātan but becomes more akin to the fixity seen in Abrahamic faiths. 🕉 Hindu!

Sugata Bose @Sanjeev Kumar : Even Netaji whose picture adorns your profile was a non-vegetarian for good measure.

Sugata Bose @Ujjal Kumar Ghosh : They do. India is the second largest water buffalo beef exporter, not cow beef, after Brazil.

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : Yes, you ought to salute someone who has been in this discourse your teacher. Disrespecting the teacher, though, is not Sanātan tradition. But flight is better where fight in defeat has proved for you futile.

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : Thanks for giving me the due respect of 'Dada' which I sincerely appreciate, although your opening remark about my 'extraordinary ignorance' is an even better appreciation of my bewilderment at Mahāmāyā's delusive drama thus enacted in countless universes from time immemorial, phenomenal worlds that float in the cosmic mind to which we are privy too, being part and parcel of it all. However, I truly feel bad for having drawn you into a futile debate by your own admission which has cost you so many precious moments which could have been better spent elsewhere with your follower folks who would have agreed to every tenet of yours bred fresh in the scripture of your mind. Namaskār! Pranām! 🕉 Hindu!

Sugata Bose @John Embrey : The problem among a huge class of Hindus is that they make vegetarianism their sole concern. Here the other passages from Swamiji's 'Complete Works' become pertinent where he denounces this exclusive emphasis on vegetarianism as being part of what he terms 'kitchen religion' to the exclusion of all else, ethical practice, philosophy et al. 🕉

Sugata Bose @Sutanu Chatterjee : I have merely presented the message left us by Swamiji in this regard and have made my point comprehensively clear regarding the comprehensive diet that is optimally suited to the human constitution for it to develop physical, moral and spiritual strength.

Sugata Bose @Sutanu Chatterjee : Guru Gobind Singhji forbade the consumption of halāl meat only as it entails a slow torture of the sacrificed animal en route to its death. He did not prescribe any wholesale ban on animal flesh consumption as such. We are talking here in this ongoing discussion spanning the past few posts about the Vivekananda view on the 'kitchen religion' that has come to plague a vast number of 'bok dhārmiks' (pseudoreligious ones) and its consequent debilitating effect on the overall health of the polity, health in its comprehensive sense. 🕉

Sugata Bose @Paramhansa Shikshangan English Classes : AI, nowadays the easy tutor in all its shallowness, will provide all surface knowledge about deep things. This is the age of self-proclamation, self-advertisement, pretence and shallowness, all masquerading as authenticity in its majestic mode. 🕉

Sugata Bose @Sutanu Chatterjee : Your observation bespeaks a rank aspersion cast on thinkers who use the keypad to voice their views based on a life of pertinent thought on the same, and throw your conception about them in bold relief. Alas, these are the times we live in when by the very stroke of the keypad one attempts to demolish the edifice of another's lifelong meditations and conceptions thereof of key issues that affect, even afflict the body and the soul! Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof! 🕉

Sugata Bose @Sanjeev Kumar : But you are a humorous person who is providing much delight on an otherwise dull day. And thank you for it.

By the way, are so you lazy as not to have read the Ramayana, the Mahabharata and the Upanishads along with the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda and the life of the Buddha to be so innocent of their non-vegetarian diet? Come on, buck up, get going and off onto your study of the aforesaid literature before you utter your gibberish. It is for you to study and find out the said facts, the very obvious kshatriya dietary habit down the ages, and not for me to indulge you further in your indolence. 🕉 Hindu!

P.S. A gentleman ought to communicate in a more civilised diction than you have unfortunately chosen to do or by habit been forced unto such an action.

Sugata Bose @Ramakant Tiwari : Your flight from verbal duel suggests your cowardice and your verbal diatribe of a detestable kind indicates your vegetarian violence that you direct at me which is a strange aberration, you must admit. 🕉 Hindu!

Sugata Bose @Sanjeev Kumar : Krishna, Ram and Buddha were all meat-eaters as were all kshatriyas of the age. Any student of history knows it. If you do not, go back to your text books. Be not so lazy as to expect others to do your job.

Sugata Bose @Ujjal Kumar Ghosh : You are one of my few readers and a perceptive one at that who embellishes the posts with pertinent creative interpretation and input.

Sugata Bose @Biswadeep Sinha : They these days generally wait till the legend is no more. Then they try to perpetuate his memory by crowning him India's jewel posthumous. A noble endeavour no doubt in an age of cerebral death. [Reference is to the delayed, more often than not posthumous awarding of the Bharat Ratna.]

Sugata Bose @Sanjeev Kumar : True. And the essence of character and culture is knowledge, knowledge temporal and knowledge transcendental. In spiritual ignorance character is lost and in material ignorance culture and temporal civilisation becomes unsustainable, the territorial integrity of the country becomes threatened and political independence is lost. Hence, character, culture and knowledge are a triune, an integrated lot each of which element is intrinsic to its sustenance. 🕉

Sugata Bose @Partha Pratim Das : Read the Ramayana and the Mahabharata and a bit of ancient Hindu history, and you will get proof enough. Exert yourself.

Sugata Bose @Satwik Satapathy : Don't breathe in that case. You are killing microorganisms. Don't eat vegetables. You are killing life. Don't walk, don't move, don't even live because with every such motion you are destroying life. Don't take medicines to recover from illness as you will be killing microorganisms. Simply become the unmanifest Brahman and disappear to avoid killing life. But even in that act of disappearance you will be killing your final share of life. 

Non-violence is an attitude that has dietary implications during the formative years of sādhanā (spiritual practice) but does not entail such restrictions forever, prior or post realisation. The masses must eat non-vegetarian diet to supplement their meals with the right kind of nutrients till, as Swamiji says, science is able to develop them artificially. The violence that people commit in economic exploitation, in day-to-day behaviour, in cheating, in fighting it out in this mass race for one's very survival, economic and otherwise, is to be considered as well. The vices of corruption by such a vast number of vegetarians as well is to be duly reckoned. The licentious living, the lust for power, all these as well instead of sole emphasis on dietary habits by way of practising non-violence are to be accorded the necessary attention. 

The Hrishis, the Avatārs such as Rām, Krishna, Buddha, Rāmakrishna and Vivekānanda were all non-vegetarians. Were they not Sanātanis? The Sanātan Dharma does not prescribe vegetarianism as essential iniversal condition for subscription. It merely emphasises sectionally its importance during the early period of ascetic activity when a milder diet helps in the control of the otherwise wild mind.

Sugata Bose @Partha Pratim Das : Read 'The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda' thoroughly just like that and you will get to the bottom of it all.

Sugata Bose @Satwik Satapathy : Even in pressing the keypad to counter me, you are killing invisible microorganisms by the pressure. So, must you do it or desist and think? But in thinking you'll be making internal body motions which will necessarily kill life within. Must you think then? To live itself is to wittingly or unwittingly kill. There is no escape. What morality, ethics and their crest jewel spirituality teache us is to abstain from undue violence, not sustenance which must entail some natural violence. The mind must be purified of hatred, not merely the diet be emphasised on to a fault.

Sugata Bose @Satwik Satapathy : The way of violent vegetarianism which entails offering sugar granules to ants while exploiting the masses with ill-begotten wealth?